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| May 02, 2011 |
| I Have DOMESTIC VIOLENCE Restraining Orders Against My Child's Mother: The Family Court Services Mediator Recommended a Week Off/Week On VISITATION Schedule. Is This Right? |
| Posted By Thurman Arnold, CFLS |
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Q. I obtained DV orders against my child's mother because of her abusive behavior. Since custody was an issue too, the judge ordered us to mediate with Family Court Services. The FCS mediator has recommended week off, week on visitation to her of our 9 year old, but sole legal custody and sole physical custody to me. We have a hearing next week. I am having a hard time understanding how this much visitation time (50%) makes sense. Any thoughts?
Jorge
Jorge:
I think that the family court services mediator doesn't understand the law, but on a level I understand why he/she wants to encourage frequent contact with the child's mom. In this case it appears that by giving you sole legal and sole physical custody titles, that they can recommend any timeshare in terms of visitation that feels appropriate. They can't. The recommendation that you mention is clearly an attempt to end-run the limitations imposed by Family Code section 3044.
Family Code section 3044 creates a rebuttable presumption against joint legal and joint physical custody where there is independent evidence of domestic violence (as in
permanent restraining orders for up to five years, as opposed to temporary orders obtained
ex parte that are not upheld at the DV hearing). In order for a judge to issue orders for joint physical custody, they must find that the other side has rebutted this presumption. Failure to do so is reversible error. Check FC section 3044(b)(1) - (7) which lists some of the possible evidence that a court might properly consider in finding that the presumption against sole legal and physical custody has been rebutted.
Family Code section 3004 defines joint physical custody as follows:
"Joint physical custody" means that each of the parents shall have significant periods of physical custody...."
A 50-50 timeshare is de facto joint physical custody, no matter how the mediator or the court labels it. In my opinion courts are not free call something sole physical custody and then grant such a significant timeshare to the mother in your case without making the required 3044 findings.
Make this point to the judge at your upcoming hearing. Make sure he or she states their findings regarding the rebuttal factors on the record, and if any of the subparts to subsection (b) apply in your favor, point this out. For instance, has Mom completed a batterer's treatment program? [3044(b)(2)]. Has she complied with the court's orders [3044(b)(6)], meaning she has not re-violated the restraining orders? Has there been any further acts of domestic violence [3044(b)(7)]?
Moreover, subsection (e) states: "
When a court makes a finding that a party has perpetrated domestic violence, the court may not base its findings solely on conclusions reached by a child custody evaluator or on the recommendation of the Family Court Services staff, but shall consider any relevant, admissible evidence submitted by the parties." Hence, more is needed that a family court services' recommend to overcome the presumption.
Judges sometimes feel - in marginal DV cases in particular - that FC section 3044(1)'s reference to "frequent and continuing contact with both parents" is more important than the DV history and the risks that such orders imply. Mediators sometimes feel badly that 3044 is too strict. Some think that the label is what matters, but many cases (especially in the move-away arena) establish that such labels (i.e., joint custody or sole custody) do not control. We look instead to the actual timeshare.
The law is clear that documented histories of domestic violence cannot be ignored where children are concerned. On the other hand, if the Court makes findings that are substantially supported by the record in your case in Mom's, this is likely within its "sound discretion" to find that the 3044 presumption has been rebutted if there is any evidence to support the trial court decision.
BTW, I recommend you always argue the alternative that best supports your children together with your (and their) personal safety. In other words, just because you can cut off the other parent, don't do it unless it serves your children's interests.
Good luck!
Thurman Arnold, C.F.L.S.
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| April 11, 2011 |
| San Diego Trial Court REVERSED for Failing to Exercise An "INFORMED DISCRETION" in Refusing to Permit Sole Legal Custody Father Who Had PRIMARY PHYSICAL CUSTODY to MOVE OUT OF STATE |
| Posted By Thurman W. Arnold, III, C.F.L.S. |
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F.T. vs. L.J. (2011) 194 Cal.App.4th 1
On April 6, 2011, the California Fourth Appellate District, Division One, in a strongly (and painfully) worded opinion reversed a San Diego trial judge's refusal to permit a father to relocate with the parties' four-year old son to the State of Washington to join his new wife and her family. While recognizing that the standard of appellate review of trial court custody and visitation orders is the "deferential abuse of discretion test," the appellate justices found that Superior Court Judge Lisa C. Schall's decision was influenced by her misunderstanding of the law applicable to several subjects, including move-away, and accordingly that "a discretionary order based on the application of improper criteria or incorrect legal assumptions is
not an exercised of
informed discretion and is subject to reversal even though there may be substantial evidence to [otherwise] support that order." Traditionally most judges have lived and ruled under the assumption that if it a decision is "discretionary" their orders are impervious to reversal unless they almost shock the conscience of the reviewing court. This is a big flag waving otherwise.
Following on the heels of
Irmo ["In Re the Marriage of"]
Duris & Urbany,
Irmo Tharp, and
Irmo Fong all within the past six months, it is clear that a movement is afoot among the State's appellate courts to force family court trial judges to expand their knowledge of family law beyond 'seat of the pants' decisions. However, for the lawyers, therapists, psychologists, and family court services folks who may read this Blog - beware: What is being demanded from all of the [us] professionals is an entirely new level of knowledge and expertise that is long overdue. In my opinion the appellate judges are undertaking an admirable effort to triage and correct the very mistakes that historically made family law - the one area that most law-abiding citizens ever personally experience within our government sponsored legal system - the under-appreciated step-child of the courts. Such a transformation is vitally important to the rule of law, due process, the public's perception of government and fairness, and the functioning of our ever-increasingly complicated society and personal relationships.
It is time that judges, lawyers like me, mental health professionals, and everybody else involved in the family law justice system increase our commitment and expertise to serving the people - possibly such as yourself - who are and will remain not only our reason for being, but the source of our livelihoods.
F.T. v. L.J., case number D057493, is an important opinion for move-away applicants and their attorneys not just because it clarifies existing law and provides guidance on a host of issues commonly encountered in litigation over these arguably unfortunate situations, but it is going to be widely talked about by the mental health community and will influence how
Evidence Code 730 and
Family Code section 3111 evaluators report to the courts because of this appellate court's attention to the details for what various FCS ("family court service" employees) and MHP's ("mental health professionals") opined. It appears that some of them, including the court mediators, took their eye off the ball as established by earlier legal precedent on this topic and the information presented to them.
The parties in this case dated for five or six months and this brief time together produced a bouncing baby boy in January, 2006. For the first thirteen months of his life, the child lived with Mom. On February 17, 2007, however, Mother burned her baby's arm with a hot curling iron "apparently to each him a lesson by showing him how hot it was." Father picked the boy up that evening, saw the injury, and took him to the hospital. Hospital staff called CPS and the police. Criminal charges were filed against the mother.
The child was placed with Dad and Mother's visitations were ordered supervised. Two weeks later he filed a petition to establish paternity and an OSC requesting orders for sole legal and physical custody. The parties were directed to attend custody mediation through Family Court Services but were unable to reach agreement, and so the mediator recommended that the child's primary residence be with Father and that Mother have supervised visits. In April, 2007, the parents stipulated to the recommended order "without prejudice to either party."
Five months later Father filed an OSC request seeking an order allowing him to move with the child to Texas. The parties were ordered back into mediation. At that time following a custody review hearing, the trial court removed the supervision requirement for Mom's visitation. Once again (surprise!) the parties could not agree in mediation, and the mediator recommended that Father have primary physical custody and that he be allowed to move, noting that in November, 2007, Mother had pleaded guilty to one count of simple battery on the child and was given four years' probation, and that she had an eleven year old child from a previous relationship who lived with the paternal grandparents.
For unknown reasons Father's request went off calendar at the time of the scheduled December, 2007, move-away hearing. In February, 2008, he refiled his application and psychologist Yanon Volcani, Ph.D., was appointed to conduct a psych evaluation of the parents and child. He issued a report in September, 2008.
Volcani recommended against the Father's proposed move to Texas, believing that it would interfere with this 2 1/2 year old's bonding with Mother because of the distance (based upon current best mental health opinions on the developmental stages of children). Volcani concluded that telephone, webcam, and other means of contact would not be well suited for a child this age, and had concerns whether Father would "enthusiastically" support the child's relationship with his mother. He also felt that mother had learned from her experience of burning the child, and while her action was 'rash, impulsive, and insensitive' the data did not suggest a "broader abusive intent." He recommended that Mother's timeshare be incrementally expanded.
On September 18, 2008, the trial court adopted Volcani's proposed parenting plan as a temporary order pending an evidentiary hearing, without prejudice, based upon findings that this was in the best interests of the minor. The matter was then lost in the limbo of hearing continuances and further court services mediations ultimately until March 5, 2010.
By now Father was requesting permission to move to Washington instead of Texas, and was intending on marrying a woman living there. Mother had married. Lynn Waldman, a Family Court services counselor, reported to the Court that she had learned that the minor child in 2009 began exhibiting rage, temper tantrums, and other behavioral issues at school and that this three year old was seeing a counselor who couldn't explain "where [Child's] anger is coming from. She interviewed Dr. Volcani but developed incorrect impressions about whether he'd last met with the parents over the two ensuing years after his initial report, and other misconceptions. She recommended against the move to Washington, but stated that Father should remain in his role as the primary caregiver.
In February, 2010, Volcani issued a report supplementing his opinions from September, 2008. Father by then had married his fiance, who herself had two teenagers. Volcani had re-interviewed the parents, the new spouses, and the minor's preschool teacher and therapist. He noted that since the initial evaluation that the parents had been co-parenting in a "relatively cooperative and stable manner." The minor was continuing to have rage issues (e.g., throwing a chair and punching another student) but these were improving. Still, because of the child's age it was difficult to know what was causing it.
On March 5, 2010, the trial court held a hearing but did not permit live testimony and denied the Father's request to move. The court made a number of findings which were not supported by the record. Chief among them was the conclusion that the parents "are not communicating" - when in fact Dr. Volcani actually stated otherwise and that their communications had vastly improved over the two years that had passed. Moreover, without any rational MHP support, the trial court concluded that the evidence proved the child's rage, speaking out in his sleep, and bed wetting all had to do with the parents' lack of a meaningful dialog. The court stated it "feels that the anger is coming from the tension between the two parties."
Maybe, but the court didn't pull this conclusion from any evidence before it in terms of an expert assessment and conclusion that this was the case (the child's own therapist couldn't explain the child's behaviors). Some conclusions apparently exceed what common sense would otherwise suggest.
By the way, what is a three year old doing with a therapist?
Anyway, the Court adopted Volcani's conclusion that the child's healthy development was being impeded, although on different grounds than Volcani had expressed. The court concluded "Father's reasons for the move, that is to join a new wife and family, are not sufficient and a new wife and family in Washington is not a sufficiently necessary reason to move the residence of [Child] to Washington...."
Huh?
Moreover, the Court implied that if Father decided to move anyway that the Court would take custody away from dad and give it to mother, a really bad idea under existing caselaw because of its coercive overtones.
Enter the Established Law of Move-Away
This is what makes this case important - a judge that was justifiably bothered by the impact that the relocation would have on the relationship between a parent (mother) and child understandably struggled not to permit the move. But she was wrong and the appellate court scolds her harshly for it. Her decision was not an exercise of informed discretion.
At the same time, some of the Father's arguments were off-track as well. For instance, he argued that he had a presumptive right to move under authority of Family Code section 7501 which states: "
A parent entitled to the custody of a child has a right to change the residence of the child, subject to the power of the court to restrain a removal that would prejudice the rights or welfare of the child." The Fourth Appellate District ruled that 7501 only applies to "final" custody determinations, and not those that are "temporary," following the case of Montenegro v. Diaz (2001) 26 Cal.4th 249. Here the parties had lived under a "stipulation" for two years, but had never reduced it to a final agreement and no court had ever ruled as to any contested matter within the context of an evidentiary hearing. This is a rule that most family law attorneys already know well (which is why the smart ones write their orders to declare the custody agreements favoring their clients as "final" orders). The practical effect of this fact in this case was that "Mother did not have an initial burden to show [that] Child would suffer detriment were he to move with Father to Washington."
Father also argued that because Mother had been convicted of battering her son, a presumption arose under Family Code section 3044 that she should not have custody of the boy that was possibly "conclusive" if not merely rebuttable. While the idea that the presumption might be conclusive based evidently upon the appalling seriousness of intentionally burning a child is ... creative ... it doesn't track in the slightest what California law says on the subject, and was quickly disposed of by the appellate judges. The justices ruled that "[a] section 3044 finding of domestic violence 'in a family law case changes the burden of persuasion as to the best interests test, but it does not limit the evidence cognizable by the court, and it does not eliminate the best interest requirement." "Nor does the statute establish a presumption for or against joint custody; again, the paramount factor is the child's health, safety and welfare. And where the section 3044 presumption has been rebutted, there is no statutory bar against an award of joint or sole custody to a parent who was the subject of the order. This is particularly important in move-away cases." In this case the trial court had not made any express findings under section 3044 anyway, so on remand that is a subject the court is directed to pick up.
However, what the trial court did wrong is this:
The father had no burden to prove his move was "necessary". When the trial court opined that "Father's reasons for the move, that is to join a new wife and family, are not sufficient and a new wife and family in Washington is not a sufficiently necessary reason to move the residence of [Child] to Washington...." it supplanted the rule of law with an understandable discomfort with the effects the move would have on Mom's relationship with her son. The issue instead was the best interests of the child, and that decision must be considered in light of the established rule that "the paramount need for continuity and stability in custody arrangements - and the harm that may result from established patterns of care and emotional bonds with the primary caretaker [father here] - weigh heavily in favor of maintaining ongoing custody arrangements."
Hence, Judge Schall's "order denying Father's motion reveals a misunderstanding of the determination a trial court must make in deciding a move-away motion by a custodial parent. In this case, the trial court, in effect, avoided the ultimate question whether a change in custody would be in Child's best interests were the custodial parent (Father) to move to Washington.... The question ... is not whether the parent may be permitted to move; the question is what arrangement for custody should be made [if and when the custodial parent moves]." A custodial parent is
not required to show a planned relocation is necessary.
In other words, the trial court has to assume the plan for the proposed move is a serious one, and has to address the issue of custody as though the move will occur. Moreover, and this is the heart of the decision and the basis for reversal, "[t]o the extent the trial court denied Father's move-away motion with the goal of maintaining the status quo and/or coercing Father to abandon his plan to move to Washington, it erred." [Italics added].
Finally, while the effect of a move will naturally be detrimental to the child's relationship with the remaining parent, this is but one factor for the court to consider and cannot be the sole basis for denying a move. The case of Marriage of LaMusga (2004) 32 Cal.4th 1072 (hand's down the most important move-away case to know), establishes a litany of factors for trial courts to consider in their totality - which is the subject for another Blog.
This case is reversed and remanded to the trial court to evaluate all the LaMusga factors and so exercise an informed discretion before summarily denying Father's request to move.
Okay, sorry, I'm tired now - I'll be back to add some more thoughts!
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| April 08, 2011 |
| I Have My Ex-Husband's EMAIL PASSWORD and Found Email That Proves His INABILITY TO PARENT - How Do I Present This to the Family Court? |
| Posted By Thurman Arnold, C.F.L.S. |
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Q. My ex-husband and I are involved in a bitter custody dispute. I recently realized he had not changed his Email password, and so I was able to enter his account and review his emails. I found evidence that proves he is using drugs, and I think this puts my son at grave risk. How should I best present this evidence to the Family Law Judge?
A. In my opinion you don't, and I'd advise you to stop snooping his emails no matter how important you think it is for the safety of your child. Beyond the fact that you expose yourself to a civil lawsuit for invasion of the Father's privacy, and have violated various State and Federal laws, you run a couple of other serious risks that may adversely affect the custody outcome you seek - these far outweigh whatever advantage you think the information gives you.
Most importantly as it relates to custody under California law, invading someone's email account and sharing what you find quite arguably constitutes a form of domestic violence. This was established two years ago in a case entitled Marriage of Nadkarni (2009) 173 Cal.App.4th 1483. If permanent restraining orders are issued in a domestic violence action that your ex could choose to file against you when he learned what you'd done (i.e., when you submitted the emails as exhibits filed with the court), a smothering presumption arises against you under
Family Code section 3044 "that an award of sole or joint physical or legal custody of a child to a person who has perpetrated domestic violence is detrimental to the best interest of the child, pursuant to Section 3011." In other words, if the family court granted orders against you as a result of this conduct, you may end up assuring you lose your case and hence the ability to safeguard the very persons whom you hope to protect.
In Nadkarni the Husband gained access to the wife's email account and attached copies of her private email between she and others (including her attorney) to show that Mother had lied to Child Protective Services, and that she'd told the children to lie to him as well - and more. Husband argued he had "no choice" but to use these emails because his "kid's safety was at stake" and that he'd accessed the accounts "in sheer panic and desperation" to protect the children. Sound familiar?
Upon discovering this Wife immediately sought temporary restraining orders pursuant to Family Code section 6320. That section permits courts to issue DV orders to stop behavior that amounts to "disturbing the peace." She alleged that she had never authorized Husband to use the account or given him the password. She also claimed that Husband was using the information to stalk her, and that his activities made her fearful because he'd beaten her badly during the marriage - and was criminally convicted of same.
While a temporary order was issued upon her application, at the hearing for permanent restraining orders her application was denied. The trial court felt that this behavior did not rise to the level of what should be restrained under the Domestic Violence Prevention Act.
Wife appealed and the trial court's interpretation of FC §6320 was reversed. The appellate court ruled "we believe that the Legislature intended that the DVPA be broadly construed in order to accomplish the purpose of the DVPA. Therefore, the plain meaning of the phrase 'disturbing the peace' in section 6320 may include, as abuse within the meaning of the DVPA, a former husband’s alleged conduct in destroying the mental or emotional calm of his former wife by accessing, reading and publicly disclosing her confidential emails." The case was ordered sent back to the trial court to hold a full hearing on the wife's claims. I imagine she won that hearing.
Family law disputants are often acting in "sheer panic" but the ends do not justify the means. You risk blowing yourself up if you attempt to use the material you obtained in any way. Destroy it. I suppose we could come up with exceptions or justifications under extreme facts, where for instance a conspiracy to commit a murder or some other major crime was uncovered, that might trump the prohibition against this type of behavior. But the value of what you have here is insufficient to justify your actions, and the evidence would likely not be admitted anyway over an objection. Even if your husband does not press the advantage you potentially give him by seeking DV orders against you, most judges (and hopefully a lawyer advising you) will question your decision-making abilities once you expose what you did. A lawyer would be ill-advised to submit these emails to the court on your behalf, not merely tarnishing his own reputation but possibly exposing himself to civil liability as well.
Resist your panic, and resist your curiosity. These disputes dial people into temporary insanity and reactivity, and often the result winds up bringing about the very thing they most fear (this dad gaining primary physical custody and reducing your custodial timeshare). There are better ways to skin this cat.
Thurman W. Arnold, III, C.F.L.S.
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| March 24, 2011 |
| Overcoming the PRESUMPTION Against SPOUSAL SUPPORT in DOMESTIC VIOLENCE Cases |
| Posted By Thurman Arnold |
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Q. My wife obtained domestic violence restraining orders against me. The truth is I was not guilty of what she claimed I did, but the judge at our DV hearing said that all he needed was a 'preponderance of the evidence' to issue those orders against me. He said the evidence needed only to tip "slightly" in her favor, and he evidently believed her even though she had no witnesses and she was never injured in any way. I had no idea it would make my life a living hell.
After I was kicked out of our home, she took control of 20 properties that we owned together, and raided our bank accounts - in fact, even before she called police that night, she was moving money out of our joint accounts. I was forced out with nothing, including my tools that I need to use as a diesel mechanic (most employers expect mechanics to work with their own equipment, and there is no way for me to free-lance without the tools). I left with only the clothes I was wearing. She was planning the whole thing.
It is now 18 months later and I am living with family. I haven't had access to anything that we amassed during our marriage, which include rentals and the properties that I owned at the time we were married (she made me put her name on the deeds). I need spousal support help. I have no job and I have no way to get one. But my lawyer tells me that I am cooked - that judges won't ever award spousal support to anybody that has had domestic violence orders issued against them.
What do you think?
"Fred"
Fred:
This is a very difficult situation, and assuming that your wife trumped these charges up against you I am sorry for your circumstance. It happens alot. Many litigants and their attorneys will exaggerate, and even invent, domestic violence scenarios to gain advantage in divorce cases. To assume that every person (be them a man or woman) who claims to be a victim of domestic violence really has been would be naive. There is no question that major benefits can inure to parties who successfully allege domestic violence. While I recognize that the majority of DV victims are women, I have seen cases where I was convinced a female claimant was gaming the system. How could it be otherwise - there is no gender priority for truth.
These benefits for falsely asserting DV include:
- Exclusive residence possession (kick out orders) [FC §6321]
- Ensuring the other party has limited access to children [FC §3044]
- Making their own spousal support claims seem more meritorious [FC §4320(i)]
- Anticipating and cutting off an anticipated spousal support request from a lower earner spouse [FC §§ 4320(i) and 4325]
To be fair to judges, these cases are hard to evaluate. The California legislature has set a very low standard of proof and hasn't cleared up inadequacies, ambiguities, and contradictions within our own Family Code statutory scheme and so a default strategy has been assumed that it is appropriate to treat DV offenders, once a finding has been made, quite harshly (a good example of this is that the statutes below reference FC § 6211, when domestic violence is not really defined anywhere in the California Family Code). There are few appellate decisions that guide trial courts, and the ones that exist are based upon bad facts at least as far as the alleged perpetrator is concerned in the sense that the DV offenses were serious. There is no good appellate court case yet on behalf of an alleged abuser who committed a relatively minor infraction (i.e., damage to property with no physical threats or violence), and none that speak to mitigating circumstances.
I want to be very clear that I abhor domestic violence. But I abhor manipulative litigation strategies just as much - because I believe that domestic violence comes in many forms, and that abusing the system to gain power in legal proceedings is also exactly the type of violence that people, possibly like you, should be protected against. The problem for judges is that it is hard to spot, and making mistakes can result in deaths.
So this is where you are:
California Family Code section 4325 provides:
"(a) In any proceeding for dissolution of marriage where there is a criminal conviction for an act of domestic violence perpetrated by one spouse against the other spouse entered by the court within five years prior to the filing of the dissolution proceeding, or at any time thereafter, there shall be a rebuttable presumption affecting the burden of proof that any award of temporary or permanent spousal support to the abusive spouse otherwise awardable pursuant to the standards of this part should not be made.
(b) The court may consider documented evidence of a convicted spouse's history as a victim of domestic violence, as defined in Section 6211, perpetrated by the other spouse, or any other factors the court deems just and equitable, as conditions for rebutting this presumption.
(c) The rebuttable presumption created in this section may be rebutted by a preponderance of the evidence."
Hence, in the event of a criminal conviction of DV within five years there is a rebuttable presumption of no support, period. However, notice that rebutting this is by the same standard that the judge remarked to you about when he/she issued the restraining orders - in other words, "more probable than not." One hopes that judges apply the same standards to each question they face.
Family Code section 4320(i), regarding post-judgment spousal support, is being interpreted by courts as applying to temporary support order applications as well. It reads:
"In ordering spousal support under this part, the court shall consider all of the following circumstances:
* * * (i) Documented evidence of any history of domestic violence, as defined in Section 6211, between the parties, including, but not limited to, consideration of emotional distress resulting from domestic violence perpetrated against the supported party by the supporting party, and consideration of any history of violence against the supporting party by the supported party.
* * * (m) The criminal conviction of an abusive spouse shall be considered in making a reduction or elimination of a spousal support award in accordance with Section 4325."
4320(i) does not require evidence of any kind of conviction, although of course that would be relevant - and it cuts both ways: It gives the court discretion to award more spousal support just as well as giving the court to deny spousal support, upon "[d]ocumented evidence." Subsection (m) just restates 4325.
Hence, whether a presumption against spousal support attaches per 4325 or is just in the judge's mind under 4320(i), what you need to present is evidence that will overcome the presumption of 4325. This means: Why should the court not follow the legislative directive that presumes you are not entitled to spousal support? There is no case yet that gives trial courts any guidance on this subject (i.e., "what needs to be proved?"), and it will take a dedicated judge who is deeply passionate about the law - and the proper facts - to turn the populist pendulum that is still in reactive mode to the deplorable sins that true DV generates.
I recommend the following arguments for rebutting the presumption, as applicable:
- Assuming that you had a criminal conviction, argue that you served your time
- Assuming that you were ordered to complete a 52-week batterer's program, argue that you complied
- If you have a long term marriage, i.e., for more than 10 years point that out
- Did your Wife allege a single incident or a pattern of incidents? One of the thorny problems concerning domestic violence restraining orders is that so many different types of conduct, ranging from merely annoying to life threatening, can give rise to them. What your wife alleged in terms of the apparent seriousness (or lack of injury) of your offense might mitigate in your favor by a preponderance of the evidence when balanced against your need for support and all other relevant circumstances considered together
- If there is evidence that you and your wife were mutual combatants at any time, i.e., that (as with too many families) you both behaved badly, present that evidence
- Remind the court that at worst you have the same burden to justify support now as your wife had to justify DV orders then
- Point out that you have been deprived of your livelihood by reason of your Wife's conduct, and that she is, as you say, in control of not only your properties, your joint funds, but also your tools
- Demonstrate that your spouse took control of all the assets, even before the DV situation erupted, not to attack the prior court ruling (which your present judge will always assume was valid and binding), and that she has maintained this control to such an extent such that you have been entirely deprived of your community property entitlements (in breach of fiduciary duties owing you from her) but also that you have been deprived of the very items that would allow you to be self-supporting. Where DV is indeed trumped up, the reporting party tends to behave in predictably controlling ways. Point this out together with any relevant conduct on the part of your spouse - has she met her sua sponte disclosure obligations? Has she ruined your credit by not paying some of property creditors that you are obligated on? Has she changed your mailing address so that you didn't receive information that might impact your livelihood?
- I cannot overstate that the likelihood is that only a breach, or the substantial appearance thereof, of fiduciary duties on the part of your spouse will meet your burden. Fiduciary duties and alleged spousal abuse are linked at the hip....
- Remind the court more than once that you have met your own burden of proof by the same standard that allowed you to get into this mess
- Request an evidentiary hearing to establish all of the foregoing. Remember Family Code section 217!
This is a difficult situation. We need a good appellate decision on it, or some legislative guidance.
As I come up with other ideas I will come back and supplement this article.
Thurman W. Arnold, III, CFLS
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| December 03, 2010 |
| ELKINS and New FAMILY CODE SECTION 217: How It AFFECTS YOU! |
| Posted By Thurman Arnold, CFLS |
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The most important new rule in decades affecting the experience of California Family Law litigants is set to be unleashed on January 1, 2011.
It promises a radical change in the way that all family court proceedings - whether they be dissolutions, legal separations, annulments, support applications, custody, and modifications of all of the above - are processed and decided by Superior Court judges and commissioners.
This is a result of the Elkins Task Force, which has been quietly operating in the background of the California family law world since roughly August 6, 2007, when the game changing case of Jeffrey Elkins v. Superior Court (2007) 41 Cal.4th 1337 was decided by our California Supreme Court.
Elkins was a landmark decision which held that the Contra Costa County Superior Court could not through its local rules limit parties in marital dissolution actions to introducing evidence in written declaration form that had to be submitted in advance of trial, or prohibiting except in "unusual circumstances" one party from cross-examining the other about the contents of those declarations. Such a rule, intended for the sake of calendar management and judicial economy, not only had the practical if unintended consequence of favoring parties with attorneys who understood how to work with these rules but fundamentally it violated due process by cutting off litigants' abilities to present all relevant, competent evidence on material issues. Judges, as the triers of fact, are not able to assess witness demeanor and credibility without live testimony.
What is earth shattering about this decision in these economic times is that the Contra Costa Superior Court had urged that its policies and local rules were essential for the "expeditious resolution of family law cases." Soon to be former Chief Justice Ronald George rejected this justification:
"We are aware that superior courts face a heavy volume of marital dissolution matters, and the case load is made all the more difficult because a substantial majority of cases are litigated by parties who are not represented by counsel. [Reference omitted]....
In light of the volume of cases faced by trial courts, we understand their efforts to streamline family law procedures. But family law litigants should not be subjected to second-class status or deprived of access to justice. Litigants with other civil claims are entitled to resolve their disputes in the usual adversary trail proceeding governed by the rules of evidence established by statute. It is at least as important that courts employ fair proceedings when the stakes involve a judgment providing for custody in the best interest of a child and governing a parent's future involvement in his or her child's life, dividing all of a family's assets, or determining levels of spousal and child support....
Trial courts certainly require resources adequate to enable them to perform their function. If sufficient resources are lacking in the superior court or have not been allocated to the family courts, courts should not obscure the source of their difficulties by adopting programs that exalt efficiency over fairness, but instead should devote their efforts to allocating or securing the necessary resources."
Justice George ended by directing the California Judicial Council to create a task force (the 'Elkins Task Force) "to study and propose measures to assist trial courts in achieving efficiency and fairness in marital proceedings and to ensure access to justice for litigants, many of whom are self-represented. Such a task force might wish to consider proposals for adoption of new rules of court establishing state wide rules of practice and procedure for fair and expeditious proceedings in family law, from the initiation of an action to postjudgment motions. Special care might be taken to accommodate self-represented litigants. Proposed rules could be written in a manner easy for lay-persons to follow, be economical to comply with, and ensure that a litigant be afforded a satisfactory opportunity to present his or her case to the court." Hence, the Elkins decision is essentially a Jeffersonian ruling that its intended to empower family law litigants and to require counties and courts to adapt.
The Elkins Task force completed its work and has issued lengthy recommendations. The first changes take place on January 1, 2011. Possibly the most important change is embodied in Family Code section 217. It states:
"(a) At a hearing on any order to show cause or notice of motion brought pursuant to this code, absent a stipulation of the parties or a finding of good cause pursuant to subdivision (b), the court shall receive any live, competent testimony that is relevant and within the scope of the hearing and the court may ask questions of the parties.
(b) In appropriate cases, a court may make a finding of good cause to refuse to receive live testimony and shall state its reasons for the finding on the record or in writing. The Judicial Council shall, by January 1, 2012, adopt a statewide rule of court regarding the factors a court shall consider in making a finding of good cause.
(c) A party seeking to present live testimony from witnesses other than the parties shall, prior to the hearing, file and serve a witness list with a brief description of the anticipated testimony.
If the witness list is not served prior to the hearing, the court may, on request, grant a brief continuance and may make appropriate temporary orders pending the continued hearing."
Family Code section 217 will cause a sea-change in day to day family court proceedings across our state, unless family court judicial officers ignore it to the limited extent possible by court rules. It will likely have immense financial and resource consequences upon not only the courts but upon parties to family court proceedings. It will force the state government in coming years to study whole new paradigms for resolving divorce and domestic partnership dissolution outside the adversary template, including those currently practiced in New Zealand and southern Australia.
It will also pressure parties to consider mediation, and collaborative processes which occur outside congested courthouses, much more carefully. The costs of adversary litigation are about to sky-rocket, making mediation even more appealing from a financial perspective (I have written extensively about the emotional and psychological benefits here an elsewhere). There simply is no governmental money available to absorb the coming Elkins Onslaught. For more information about an alternative method for resolving family disputes, please visit us at www.DesertFamilyMediationServices.com.
At the same time, at least in the short run taken together with some of the other revisions that become effective next month, it may encourage more people to litigate more stubbornly and so make mediation seem less attractive than it did before the changes (just the reverse will be true). Some folks will mistakenly assume that this invites the use of court hearings as a live-testimony forum for sharing unresolved complaints relating to their marriage or domestic partnership dissolution with the other party in open court. Instead, judges will sustain objections to such irrelevant material and parties who seek to use Family Court as a platform to air relationship grievances will find themselves alienating the trier of fact in ways that will have adverse consequences to them beyond just the time and expense of the exercise.
The purpose of today's Blog is to introduce you to section 217 and the new changes. I will follow up with more articles in coming weeks. Without a doubt the new rules will make all the information I provide on my websites more relevant and timely for my readers.
December is new legislation month at the Southern California Family Law Blog presented by Family Law Attorney Thurman W. Arnold. My goal is to inform you well, and early on, on any number of topics that will improve your outcome in family law matters and hopefully help you to reach results that are fair for you, your spouse or ex-partner, your children, and your blended and extended families.
T. W. ARNOLD, III, CFLS
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| September 21, 2010 |
| How Does DOMESTIC VIOLENCE Affect My SPOUSAL SUPPORT OBLIGATIONS? |
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Q. I obtained Domestic Violence retraining orders against my ex, but I earn more money than she does. Can I use those orders as a defense against her request for temporary spousal support from me?
A. Yes, you can - perhaps quite effectively.
It is evident that California Judges and Family Court Commissioners are being trained at judicial college to take seriously the language of Family Code section 4320(i), which is one of the factors that the legislature has declared trial courts must evaluate in entering post-judgment or "permanent" alimony orders. That subsection reads that courts must consider:
"i) Documented evidence of any history of domestic violence, as defined in Section 6211, between the parties, including, but not limited to, consideration of emotional distress resulting from domestic violence perpetrated against the supported party by the supporting party, and consideration of any history of violence against the supporting party by the supported party."
Documented evidence includes at a minimum an Order After Hearing issued against a person upon a DV application for conduct described in Section 6211. Obviously it includes criminal arrests and convictions.
The definitions of what constitutes domestic violence in California are set forth in Family Code section 6320. These are interpreted broadly. One of those definitions includes reference to "disturbing the peace of the other party." That definition can include all kinds of objectionable behavior, and really means that if the Judge is offended by the conduct, it is a form of domestic violence. The recent case of IRMO Nadkarni (2009) 173 Cal.App.4th 1483 extended DV protections to breaking into the Wife's email account and then disseminating what the Husband had obtained there. It is also included allegations of physical threats. The trial judge was reversed in his belief that this was not sufficient misconduct. Clearly the legislature and the appellate courts want to send a message that DV must stop - which is a very good thing.
However, I am aware of a case where a husband was living in a casita attached to the family residence, after he moved out of the main house to avoid his wife - who was constantly verbally harassing him. She then changed the locks. He decided to move to a different address entirely, but after he got back into the house (which was community property) without breaking in, he allegedly removed some his belongings and took some items that belonged to both of them, and also reportedly messed up her personal effects. She sought and obtained domestic violence restraining orders, claiming that he had violated her rights by entering what was a jointly owned property, and that this caused her fear. It is possible that she seized upon his entry as a tool to avoid paying him spousal support.
After the judge entered her restraining orders, the husband's motion for spousal support was heard. The trial court refused to award him any support, despite his earning $2,000 and her earning $14,000, based upon the DV order and the emotional distress she had supposedly suffered when he removed his belongings.
This can be viewed as an invitation to spouses to abuse their domestic violence protections regardless of gender. Yet, domestic violence is a terrible epidemic that affects women and children most often, and it must be treated with the utmost seriousness. Often men are the instigators, but not always. I don't care whether the perpetrator is a man or a woman - the same rules should apply to both sexes.
Family Code section 4320 is used for long term spousal support awards, but courts are applying 4320(i) even at the temporary support stage to augment or deny spousal support claims. There is some appellate support for that view.
So, you may have a very good defense to paying your ex any spousal support because of the domestic violence orders that you obtained and you should assert it. I hope the courts will be gender blind in enforcing these orders - meaning, I believe it is very important that we apply the same rules to all people, period.
Thurman W. Arnold III
http://www.DesertDivorceandFamilyLawyer.com
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| May 17, 2010 |
| My husband was HOSPITALIZED after we SEPARATED; am I liable for the bill? |
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Q. After my husband and I separated, he was hospitalized and incurred $28,000 in medical bills. The creditor is threatening to sue me. Am I liable? Is there anything I should do?
A. In a recent appellate decision out of San Diego County (CMRE Financial Services, Inc. v. Parton), the wife called police after an incident of domestic violence and shortly thereafter filed for DV restraining orders. A week later the parties separated, and the husband was admitted to Tri-City Medical Center for treatment for a severe emotional illness. He incurred substantial medical bills.
The wife filed a dissolution action three months after that. In her Schedule of Assets and Debts she listed the debt as owed by her husband. A judgment for dissolution came to be entered several months later, and it did not assign the hospital obligation to the wife. It appears to have been a default judgment against the husband.
CMRE, the assignee of Tri-City Hospital, sued both the husband and wife to collect the money for husband's treatment; by then husband had disappeared and was never served with the lawsuit. Wife responded by denying liability, and with a cross-complaint that alleged that by sending her collection notices CMRE had violated the provisions of the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (Title 15, United States Code section 1692 et seq.), and that she should obtain damages against them.
CMRE filed a motion to toss out the cross-complaint, relying on the language of Family Code section 914(a)(2), which states that spouses are liable for debts incurred by the other when separated if these are for "necessaries of life."
The trial court agreed with CMRE, and the matter proceeded to a judgment against the wife for the full amount plus interest. Wife appealed.
The appellate court ruled in favor of wife, and reversed the trial court. Wife would have been liable for these medical costs IF a dissolution including property division had not been granted, or if the dissolution judgment had assigned the debt to her, or if she had agreed to support her estranged husband while they were separated. For instance, if the parties had reconciled and if CMRE had sued the wife and obtained a money judgment against her, she would have been on the hook. But once a dissolution judgment was entered that did not assign the debt to the wife she was protected. Family Code section 916.
The appellate court also noted that an independent basis for holding wife free of the debt included Family Code section 4302 which states that a person is not liable for the support of their spouse when the person is living separate from the spouse by agreement, unless the agreement calls for support. The court reasoned that while the starting point is that spouses are liable for the other's necessaries while living separately that rule will not apply where they are separated by agreement (apparently the agreement can be verbal or implied from conduct), unless the agreement includes a promise to support the other.
This appellate decision seems confusing because the language of the statutes themselves conflict. The court continued by noting that the legislature has declared that one spouse's liability for the other spouse's post-separation necessaries is entirely derivative of the fact of marriage and not the same as a debt personally incurred by the supporting spouse. This means that "the liability imposed by section 914 can be avoided by the simple expedient of entering into a separation agreement which does not provide for support."
The only exception might be where a creditor alleges a marital settlement agreement violates the Uniform Fraudulent Transfer Act. CMRE did not allege any fraud between these spouses.
This is landmark case because up to this point most lawyers and judges believed that spouses were liable for the necessaries of life of the other, even after separating, and that this was a special exception to the general rule that once spouses separate liability for debt ends.
Now we know that you have at least two ways to avoid this debt: (1) Obtain a Judgment for Dissolution before the creditor obtains a civil judgment against you, but be sure that the debt is assigned to the other spouse; and (2) be sure that you don't have an agreement to support the other spouse in place, at least at the time the debt is incurred. The judgment can be based upon a marital termination agreement.
If you pretend to separate, or separate just to avoid the debt, and if the creditor claims you did this fraudulently to avoid liability, the outcome might be different.
One additional point of information: Under the circumstances of this case, CMRE was found to have in fact violated the federal Fair Debt Collection Practices Act just by sending threatening letters, and of course by filing suit. Knowledge of this case can be used to back off creditors who are harassing you.
Thurman W. Arnold III
http://www.thurmanarnold.com
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| April 14, 2010 |
| How Do I Get the Court to Order My Husband to be HAIR FOLLICLE tested? |
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Q. I know my ex-husband uses drugs and I fear for the safety of our children. We are having a custody dispute. Is it possible to have him give a hair follicle sample for drug testing? How do I get a court order for drug testing?
A. It is not possible in California to force another parent or custodian of minor children to take a hair follicle test for drugs or alcohol absent their agreement to do so.
Family Code section 3041.5 is the direct authority for a court's ability to order drug testing. However, it contains an important limitation: If substance abuse testing is ordered by the court, the testing shall be performed in conformance with procedures and standards established by the United States Department of Health and Human Services for drug testing of federal employees. These procedures and standards do not presently include hair follicle testing and so a Court cannot order it over a party's objection. As a practical matter, California Family Courts order urine testing. The effectiveness of urine testing is limited because traces of different substances remain in body for differing amounts of time - traces of drugs remain in hair much longer.
However, hair follicle testing will be ordered where both parties agree or stipulate to it. This is more common that you might expect.
Sometimes this occurs at a court hearing where the Judge turns to each party and says something like 'Mr. Jones, would you be willing to take a hair follicle test: More often the attorney for the accusing party will say something like "your Honor, we are hoping that Mr. Jones will take a hair follicle test so we can put this issue to rest." The Court will turn to Mr. Jones and ask him if he will agree. 7 times out of 10, in my experience, Mr. Jones will say "sure your Honor, I have nothing to hide and she is making this all up."
Why would Mr. Jones agree to do this, when the Court otherwise is powerless to order it? Mr. Jones may not know his legal rights. Mr. Jones may have read on the internet that he can mask his substance abuse and beat the drug testing by using products he can buy on the web or at a health food store. Mr. Jones may have friends who said they beat the test. Mr. Jones may just feel like if he doesn't agree, he looks guilty. Mr. Jones may have recently cut his hair short or shaved his head - which is a good reason to ask the Court order that Mr. Jones not visit a barber until the hair sample is taken (hair samples can be taken from various other body areas). Mr. Jones may be himself in denial and so might lie easily and from habit.
And, Mr. Jones may think that his hair sample will come back clean because he is not "using" or he used so long ago the drug test will be negative - and he may or may not be right on this point. Traces of drugs may remain in the hair for up to six months. Some Valium to help one sleep taken 3 months ago may be forgotten.
Its a really bad idea to agree to hair follicle testing unless you are absolutely convinced there could be no traces of drugs in your body.
If you use drugs or abuse alcohol, you need to tell your attorney the truth of your situation; most attorneys want to help you overcome that problem early on in a case by directing you to recovery resources and help. Custody disputes actually present an opportunity for people to deal with their addictions (the same ones that may have lead to the breakup).
I once had a client who insisted her husband was using cocaine regularly, but she claimed she never used it. In her declaration we set forth much evidence of his continued using in excruciating detail. He admitted to having had used in the past, but said he had stopped a few months before.
At our hearing the Court asked both parents if they would agree to take a hair follicle test. Having adamantly stated under penalty of perjury that she never used, my client agreed and I allowed her to because she had told me (in answer to repeated direct questions to her first) that she never used cocaine - even though the Court would not have otherwise ordered it.
To my amazement her drug test results came back "dirty" for cocaine, as did her husband's. He now appeared to have been truthful, and she obviously had lied under oath. When I asked what she was thinking her answer was "oh, I used it on my birthday three months ago and was sure that that one time would not show up." The facts turned out to be that she knew all about his drug use because she had used alongside him.
The family judge was really unhappy with her. Because she lied to the Court, she lost all advantage in the custody proceedings and the judge viewed her as untrustworthy from that day forward. And so did I. This also adversely affected the amount of child and spousal support she received. Her husband ended up looking like the good guy, although I suspect he continued to use. Hair follicle tests don't indicate the dates of use, but merely that someone used at some time during some period.
If you have been using drugs, don't agree to a hair follicle test unless you are prepared to be completely honest.
It is possible to get a confidential hair follicle test from an independent laboratory before you write a declaration or go to a hearing, and then present your clean test to the judge at that hearing. If you find the test is positive for drugs, you don't need to share it with the Court or anyone else. But in that situation an ethical attorney will not let you make false statements either. You don't need to volunteer certain evidence, but once you make a statement it better be true.
By the way, I will not tolerate lying by my clients in my family law practice. Ethical lawyers will not aid and abet a client in making false or misleading statements.
In my experience there is always a positive solution presented by bad facts when you are truthful. With drug abuse situations, one solution is a commitment to becoming clean and sober. Judges appreciate people telling the truth who are taking steps to overcome these sorts of challenges.
Thurman W. Arnold III
http://www.ThurmanArnold.com
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| April 14, 2010 |
| Will the Court DRUG TEST My Wife? |
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Q. How do I get a Court Order for drug testing my wife? I know she is using and I fear she is a danger to our son.
A. Your argument for drug and alcohol testing of parents or others having custody or visitation with children is in California is found in Family Code section 3041.5. The statute is only five years old, and before it enactment the only practical way to get drug testing was by the other party's agreement.
It is possible to convince a family court that the other parent should be tested for drugs or alcohol where you present sufficient evidence that there "is the habitual, frequent, or continual illegal use of controlled substances or the habitual or continual abuse of alcohol by the parent, legal custodian, person seeking guardianship, or person seeking visitation in a guardianship." FC section 3041.5(a).
This evidence includes but is not limited to proof that the other person has been convicted in the past five years of the illegal use or possession of a controlled substance.
The other important statute you need to cite to the Court is Family Code section 3011(d), which speaks to the requirement in determining what custody and visitation is in the best interests of children courts must consider evidence of the habitual use of controlled substances (non-prescription or otherwise) or alcohol - but first you must submit "independent corroboration".
In my experience what often happens when drug allegations are made is that Family Judges prefer to get the parties to agree to drug testing and only order it when they will not (or when recommended by family court services or a mental health professional). If the parties will not agree, judges may order the testing as long as there is some corroboration that a potential drug issue exists. I am always amazed that people who are using (who are "dirty" as we say) will agree to test when they may not need to because there is insufficient independent proof of the use of drugs.
Please see my blog on hair follicle testing.
TWA
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| February 16, 2010 |
| OVERVIEW OF CUSTODY APPLICATIONS AND PROCEDURES in California |
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There are numerous types of cases that may involve custody determinations between parents and even nonparents (although nonparents typically need to be joined into the action since they are not automatically parties to their own child's divorce, for instance). These commonly include divorce proceedings, legal separations, paternity actions, and domestic violence applications. Guardianships involve custody but they are not covered here.
California Courts have jurisdiction to issue initial temporary custody awards, permanent custody awards, and to modify existing orders after a final custody award has been entered.
Whenever custody is on the table, visitation is as well. Typically child support is also at issue, although in order for a court to consider any request the moving party (the party who filed first) sets "the menu" for what the court can consider and make decisions about. The responding party does not set the menu, and must file their own separate application for orders to bring in new matters. It is imperative that a moving party (the party making requests) check the correct boxes on the
FL-310 and the Notice of Motion or OSC cover sheet. The reason for this is to ensure the other party receives 'due process,' meaning that they have fair notice of what the hearing is about and a fair opportunity to respond and to provide all relevant information in opposition.
Otherwise, if only the custody boxes are checked then any given court may refuse to discuss finances. Different judges do it differently, but it is important for you to do it right.
As a practical matter, in order to file for custody orders some underlying action must be filed. This could include a DCSS or other governmental application although you cannot control when and if that is filed.
Once the underlying action is filed, or together with it, a parent seeking orders may file an Order to Show Cause or Notice of Motion. If you represent yourself, you can obtain complete forms packets from your local court clerk. That application must be accompanied by the
FL-310 which tells the Court what it is you want and why you want it.
While you can handwrite the evidence you want to give the court on the FL-310, this is not a good idea. Better to set your information forth on the attachments sheets. Even better to type it out and attach it.
If you are seeking child support (or spousal support) orders, you must also submit a current Income and Expense Declaration which is California Judicial Council form
which is
Form FL-150. It is important that answer all the questions on that form and provide back up so you don't get scolded by a judge or have to return to court another day.
These papers must all be served on the opposing party, in person if this is the first filing and they have not yet responded in the action (notice of ex parte applications can be given orally, but there must be a proper personal services thereafter).
Be sure that you serve all the papers you want the court to consider. Do not expect that you can show up in court with new matters and evidence and just hand them to the judge. Procedural due process requires the other side get everything in time to respond. In addition, many judges will just refuse to consider untimely pleadings or defectively served documents - although, if for reasons beyond you control this happens to you (something new happened) - request a continuance at your first hearing so the other party gets their time to respond.
I address the actual issues regarding temporary custody and ex parte applications, permanent custody, and modification of custody in another blog. I will link back when those articles are done.
In the meantime, use our search engine at the top of every page to locate what you need to know about your family case in an efficient manner.
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| August 29, 2009 |
| Woman not from this country mistreated by American husband |
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Q. From J:
Hello, I am an Australian woman who married almost 4 years ago an American and he treats me like a housekeeper not as his wife. We are in Phoenix right now, but we were living most of the time in Indian Wells, CA, at his house. He is also threatening me that he is going to take my two daughters away from me. (Mine from a previous relation). He changed since we become a married couple. I really fell alone and he is denying my existence. I have nobody here and he doesn't even let my go visit my parents for a few weeks. What would be a good advice?
Best Regards.
J.
A. Hello J:
That kind of treatment may be a form of domestic violence, and you have my sympathy and concern. Have there been threats or hitting?
When do you return to the desert? I assume you have no ability to travel on your own because you have no money? You may need to look to your family for help.
This gentlemen is not going to take your children away from you, no matter what he says.
In terms of dissolution rights, you are absolutely entitled to have the marriage dissolved, but you are not going to have huge support or property rights – typically support for a short marriage is half its length although it is possible to stall a case to stretch that out in this case, and figure if you have no income you might be entitled to about 35% of what he grosses, all other things being equal.
In terms of property, if nothing was acquired during marriage there is not going to be much to divide, although if there has been a mortgage payment on the Indian Wells residence there might be some reimbursement.
T.W. Arnold
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